Defense attorneys can tell you things about their cases that can give you nightmares. The criminals they are defending are often of the worst kind. And so are their crimes.
A Reddit user posted a question directed to defense attorneys. In it he asked about the worst criminals they defended so far. There seems to be no shortage of horrible crimes committed, because the stories kept coming and coming. Read on as some of them describe the acts of murder, rape, brutal assault, child molestation, incest, animal abuse, and even the decapitation of a Grandmother.
Defense attorneys talk about the worst criminals. And here are their stories as found on AskReddit
Pointed an AR-15 at a police officer
“Oh. I also had a guy stand out of a sunroof and point an AR-15 at an undercover cop. Guy was on probation when this happened. Co-worker represented a guy that beat and burned a kitten and recorded it. She had to watch the video and she came to my office crying after. Fuck that guy.” — schubox63
Criminal defense attorneys firm and the case of the serial child molester
“I’m a law clerk at a criminal defense firm. We take cases on appeal after the client has already pled guilty or been found guilty at trial. One of our clients is a convicted serial child-molester, but some of the offenses occurred when he was a juvenile himself (under 17 in my state), which the law treats differently.
I was tasked with going through the paperwork we received and figuring out which victims he molested when he was an adult, and which victims he molested when he was a juvenile, to calculate his correct punishment range.
Official court documents presented to defense attorneys name victims with pseudonyms
Problem is, the official court documents all name the victims with pseudonyms (“John Doe ,” etc.), while the police reports use their actual names. There is no legend or index in the file to tell me which victim is which, and it’s cheaper for my bosses to pay me to figure it out than to force the Government to turn over a list. So I had to match the child victims to their code names based on their biographical details and their accounts of the abuse.
‘Attn: Boss – Child A is black, around age 9, and was touched around the genitals and anus with the Defendant’s fingers. Timmy Smith is black, and matches Child A’s time frame, but his report only mentions the Defendant’s tongue on his anus, not the fingers. There are no other black victims. I believe there is a 90% chance that Child A is Timmy Smith.’ And so on. I am so glad that I will be moving into prosecution in a month or so.” — PopeHatSkeleton
Beat his partner to death
Often,defense attorneys take on cases where the past and ongoing psychological problems of their clients plays a major role in the acts they committed. But it is still up to the jury to believe it had anything to do with it.
“Lawyer who did criminal work experience whilst training: I was part of the legal team that defended a man who killed his partner by beating her to death his fists in their living room. We argued diminished responsibility ie he was only guilty of manslaughter not murder as at the time of the assault he lacked the relevant mental capacity. Jury found against him and he was sent down for 25 years. Last thing he said to me was that he hopes he gets to go solitary with his guitar and that he would be better than Eric Clapton by the time he ever got out.
This is a UK case and the client had been in and out of prison all of his life so I assumed that he would know if he was allowed his guitar whilst inside. I took his word for it at least.
The jury didn’t believe that his previous and ongoing psychological problems well evidenced by expert witnesses had an effect on his mental state to such an extent that he lacked the mental capacity to commit murder. They believed that he committed the murder because he wanted to either kill or cause serious physical harm to his partner at the time. This is the men’s area for murder in the UK. No I don’t feel bad about assisting in his case. He was innocent until proven guilty and in the UK we have equality of arms in criminal cases ie his legal team has the same resources as the prosecution’s.” — ELPLRTA
What a way to go. According to science, these are the most excruciating ways to die. And they are not all by murder.
Raped his stepdaughter and videotaped it
“Worst had to be the ‘gentleman’ who spent years raping his stepdaughter. He videotaped it, so we had to watch at trial. We knew the reason he insisted on going to trial because he wanted to see video again.” — gettinareallawyer
Molestation and incest
“Long story short, guy was accused of molesting his granddaughter and she was pregnant from it. I, along with the State became confused on the DNA of the grandchild’s child. We learned, that his grandchild was the product of rape on his own daughter, so he was the grandfather/father of the complainant and the great-grandfather/father of the complainant’s child.” — ObjectionThrowItAway
Drowned an under-aged girl
“The gang murderers are pretty routine at this point. As a young lady, it’s the ones who aren’t killing in the name of territory, street cred, etc. that get to me. I was really affected by a particularly brutal, cold, calculated, sick 30-something man accused of murder.
He was eerily calm and cocky about his an encounter with an underage girl he met and chatted up for about 20 minutes that resulted ultimately in her drowning with suspicious surrounding circumstances. He was obviously disturbed and it was very unsettling just being near him. Images of him smiling for the news cameras in the courtroom will weirdly pop into my head on a somewhat random basis and it still gives me the heebie jeebies.
His act on the stand ruined him
The act he put on when he INSISTED upon being put on the stand in trial ruined him. He would have walked but for his ridiculous testimony. Within seconds the jury, who had been paying close attention previously, looked horrified as he told these stories and stopped taking notes. Their minds were made up as soon as he opened his creepy mouth. He was quickly convicted. We did a really stellar job in his case, but he dug his own grave. Justice was served.” — [deleted]
Some defense attorneys might just see one or two of the worst kind in their lifetime. But others get to defend the worst criminals on a regular basis. Their nights must be filled with nightmares, or they have grown immune to it. One user immediately tells of three cases which have affected him the most. Another says he has enough stories, that he could go on for days.
Carjacking, murder, molestation and robbery
“Started out as a gang initiation carjacking turned murder when the juvenile initiate panicked. Juvenile committed suicide at the juvie. Client was torn up as well and wanted to plead guilty. Did psych evaluation and did a full pretrial motions practice that lasted a year before we scheduled the plea. He wrote a very heartfelt apology to the girl’s dad and I gave it to him after the plea. Still filed habeas against me 2 years later, but that was sort of expected.” Also read the stories from survivors of attempted murder.
Child molestation and incest
Was raping his daughter for about 5 years. After a vague outcry, police came to the house and recovered semen covered tissue from the girl’s bedroom in the trashcan. Almost got that evidence suppressed because the search was without a warrant but with permission from his wife. He had previously refused consent but was led away to the station for questioning (stories differ as to whether he did it voluntarily or was coerced or even just flat out arrested) and they re-asked for consent from the wife, with no husband to contradict her.
This one went almost a year as well with a metric ton of motions. In the end, what the police got from the search corroborated the witness testimony to the tee, and he eventually decided to plea.
Assault and robbery
But the one that affected me the most was a little kid who literally grew into a man while locked up for two cases: two counts of aggravated assaults and another case of armed robbery. He stayed in jail almost 3 years while the cases worked themselves out.
In the agg. assault case, he was alleged to have shot two lifelong gangbangers due to some dispute. He was a skinny kid, maybe 150 lbs soaking wet, and these gangbangers were all over 6 ft and heavily built. And a long rap sheet each. Cross examination on their records went fucking textbook. They had around 5 convictions each and I asked about the first 3 and then let them hang themselves by saying how they’re different now, and how that’s all old news, and they don’t do that no more. Right… Then you hit them with the subsequent convictions. You wouldn’t think that would work, that they would know what their own record is and wouldn’t fall for this trick. But they do. Every single time. Not guilty, but still locked up because of the armed robbery.
Armed robbery went to trial and we had an expert on eyewitness testimony, prof. Brigham. He was a professor at FSU and along with Elizabeth Loftus, the pre-eminent expert in the field of human memory and eyewitness testimony. He dazzled the jury. Truthfully, I can’t take any credit for this. Not guilty again.
Luck is running out
Few days later, he came to see me at my office. I still remembered a little skinny kid. Not anymore. In street clothes, this dude was built. Somehow I missed all of that, either looking through the partition glass at the jail or being preoccupied with other stuff in court. We always had a good rapport so we spent a good hour talking about future plans. That’d be the last time I’d see him however. A year or so later, he got arrested for murder and is now serving a life sentence.
I think that if he had been convicted of some of the other charges, maybe he wouldn’t have that murder. Maybe if he went away for 5 or 10 years, he could have come out more mature. Not a 20 year old jacked up kid who’s been deprived of fun things the past 3 years. I deliberately kept myself ignorant of the specifics of the murder. Maybe he killed a useless gang banging psychopath. Maybe he killed a nun. I think it’s better not knowing.” — juicius
Serial killer, molestation, road rage
“I had a client who was a narco in Colombia extradited to the US. Killed more people than he could count. Actually lost track. A guy who made video tapes of himself having sex with his six year old daughter.
A guy who killed another person in a road rage incident and shot his dog. Strafed bullets across the windshield to scare the guy’s wife then went home and went to bed. I could go on for days.” — BroadwayJayEsq
Decapitated his grandmother
“Worked on a case in which the defendant was accused of decapitating his Grandma with a bread knife. Gruesome and scary.” — NAbsentia
Child sodomized another child
When defense attorneys deal with juvenile cases, they can get complicated. They are faced with laws that were designed for adult offenders.
“Public Defender here: I once represented an 11 year old charged with forcible sodomy against another 11 year old. You will often see kids charged with molesting other kids, but its rare to get a juvenile defendant that young. Sometimes the parents are overreacting to two kids “playing doctor,” sometimes its evidence that the kids themselves have been molested by an adult.
Juvenile cases get complicated, juvenile sex cases get absurdly complicated. Between draconian laws that aren’t really designed for juveniles, competency issues (how do you get a knowing, intelligent, and voluntary plea from a child?), and moronic parents, it can get pretty overwhelming.” — Fictional_Idolatry
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